Precision Rifle Series Rimfire Rule Committee Meeting Minutes
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Location: PRS Rimfire Rule Committee Group
Date: Jan 31, 2022
Time: 11:17pm
Precision Rifle Series Rimfire Rule Committee Meeting Minutes
I. ONLINE MEETING PLATFORM
a) PRS Rimfire Rules Committee Group
II. RIMFIRE RULE COMMITTEE MEMBERS PRESENT (Active participants/observers of
discussion)
Attendees: Shannon Kay, Brady Lamm, Ja Hymer, Brandon Graham, Prentice Wink, Cory
Kay, Francis Colon, Mike Lombardi, Ben Fleenor, Bry Elliott, Gregg Stewart, Doc Randy, Levi
Wilson, Paul Smith, Matt Stiner, Matt Egnik.
ORDER OF BUSINESS
a) As the 2022 season is taking off and the 2022 Rimfire Rules are being completed with
all of your updates, we wanted to take the time to address one last item before we
publish the 2022 rules. We have been asked several times by concerned MDs if PRS
Rimfire clubs were going to continue to be permitted to run matches that count for
points both in the PRS Rimfire Series and in other competing series during the coming
season. Up until this point, we have permitted a very small number of clubs to count
their match points in other series to include the NRL, and most recently MARS (Modern
American Rifle Series) in conjunction with PRS because they had historically done so in
good faith.
Recently - MARS (Modern American Rimfire Series), a small series run inside the
Atlantic Coast region, has contacted multiple PRS Rimfire clubs in an effort to bring
them on board and count PRS matches in the MARS series for points. During the 2021
season, only four Atlantic Coast clubs counted matches for both series, and we (in an
effort to give them the benefit of the doubt) permitted it. However, MARS in their latest
attempts to expand nationally invited 7 PRS clubs in the Northeast Region, 2 Clubs in
the SE Region, and 1 club in the Central region to run PRS matches for MARS points
during the 2022 season and contacted many more PRS clubs that declined to join when
asked.
While on the surface, this seems like a drop in the bucket for a PRS Rimfire series with
approximately 400 Rimfire matches each season - we have learned some important
lessons over the past few years regarding the challenges that arise from a competing
series. Especially a series that has published national aspirations that seeks to benefit
from your hard work to build a thriving PRS Rimfire Series to include - using PRSsystems and your match promotions to their advantage, having MARS sanctioned matches and scores published on the PRS website, and benefiting from PRS social media efforts to promote your matches, clubs, and shooters. Although this is largely a PRS policy matter and not a rules discussion – we wanted to bring this before the committee and provide insight into our policy going forward for the Rimfire Series. While there are multiple reasons for not allowing PRS clubs to count PRS sanctioned matches in a competing series, here are a few of the fundamental issues – IT DIVIDES THE SPORT. Shooters are encouraged by the competing organization to purchase two memberships, compete in two series, attend finales for both series all with the same amount of money and time that they have always had. Shooters’ efforts are split. It hurts shooters and dilutes the competitive parity that a series is designed to provide as shooters participate in two different series under two separate sets of rules, fees, and requirements. Two series counting the same matches for points naturally divides the efforts of the MDs to participate in and promote two competing series. Divided efforts do not promote growth, it promotes more division. MATCH ATTENDANCE SUFFERS. Matches suffer due to a lack of deconfliction with schedules between two organizations and have decreased match attendance as a result. We have seen what conflicting schedules from competing series results in - matches with low attendance. The market becomes flooded with too many matches as a competing organization works to “fill” their schedule and establish themselves. IT MUDDIES THE WATERS FOR SPONSORS. PRS Sponsors end up being asked to support even more matches and therefore have less to provide to each match and even less to provide to the additional finales that shooters are encouraged to attend. When matches count for two series, sponsors are often unaware that a competing series is benefiting from what they intended. Their efforts to grow a unified sport get watered down, in ways that they are unaware of.
Actual reporting of shooter participation to sponsors can become dishonest at worst and
convoluted at best, as match numbers include a mix of shooters from both series. We
do not want to engage in this type of reporting to sponsors – a PRS match will be a PRS
match, and we will report PRS numbers with no gray area.
Going forward PRS Rimfire Clubs will not be permitted to run PRS sanctioned matches
that also count for points in a competing series. Clubs are welcome to run matches for
both series, but a single match will not be able to count for both PRS points and another
competing series, such as the NRL or MARS.
To show good faith, the only exception to this policy will be for clubs that had permission
and ran matches that counted for both the PRS and the NRL or MARS, prior to the 2021
PRS Rimfire National Finale on Dec 4, 2021.
These clubs to the best of our knowledge include:
Northern Virginia Gun Club
Quail Ridge Sporting Club
Quantico Shooting Club
Quinton Sportsmen’s Club
MHF Enterprises Shooting Academy
If a club is not listed here and you think it should be - please send an email with
information regarding matches that were run that counted for both series prior to the
2022 season and we can take a look at it and review it.
While we know this policy may be disappointing for a select few, we are confident that
this will be beneficial for the health of the sport over the long haul.
If you concur with this policy please mark “Yes, I concur” in the poll below. If you do not
concur with the policy and would like to suggest an alternative – please mark no and
leave an explanation in the comments.
III. DISCUSSION & GROUP COMMENTS BY RIMFIRE RULE COMMITTEE MEMBERS
a) I 100% agree it's a detractor to growth and consistency in our sport. I'd prefer to see our
young series grow into a more mature series through consistency over the next seasonor two. Infrastructure and resources being split between two series in a similar region
seem quite useless.
b) Agreed
c) This mostly affects MD’s like me from the XX. We have had our own local 4 state free
series, XX Rimfire Series, made up of XX clubs, for about X years running. When PRS
rimfire started up I quickly organized X my current MD’s to support and run PRS Rimfire
matches, making the XX only second behind 1 club and 1 region XXX., hats off to them.
I did the same with MARS. I did this to help those shooters who will never travel to more
than 8 hours away for a Rimfire Championship and just want to shoot in a series a little
bigger than mine and with an XX Coast Championship, that was the appeal to me.
Those shooters can compete in 3 series, that really is on 3 different scales, Quad state,
XX Coast, and Nationally. It lets them put their time and money into one match. It also
lets the MD’s who market their matches through their social media and mine get the
most shooters for their effort and decrease the number of overall competing matches.
The MD’s and the ranges are the asset. If forced to run 1 series I will confer with the
MD’s I have brought together, before PRS Rimfire was around and see what we as a
group want to do. Let me know when this is planned to go into effect as we have a fair
amount of matches planned for the February that count for all 3 series. We do not want
to mis-lead our shooters who think they are shooting for points in either series.
d) My recommendation, if you want what’s best for the shooters in my area, the one with 7
clubs, the same 7 I got to join PRS, then we been given the Company waiver for
operation, so we don’t have to decide to choose 1. Most of the time when being pushed
to choose we don’t pick the one that pushed us to make the choice, even if it the best
long-term decision, which I think PRS currently is.
e) I will note that I am a very ingrained in Rimfire in my area, I run my own series, I am the
MARS Region XX coordinator, run NRL22X matches and in essence the voice for PRS
Rimfire in the XX Region. I state this, so I am transparent with the group that I am
involved in all 4, so my comments are in context.
f) I would not be surprised if XX splits (more like doesn't convert planned 2022 MARS
ranges to PRS this year or in coming years) with a weather limited season its tough to
schedule 12-15 centerfire matches and with a potential for 10+ rimfire clubs there's only
so many available weekends. We do our best to not stack weekends whenever possible
and the goal is to have less total matches with higher attendance this wayg) After a productive chat with XX regarding MARS and the Rimfire MDs that planned to
participate, we are extending the list of clubs that fall under the exception to the below
policy during the 2022 season. Listed below are a few additional clubs, to our
knowledge, that have announced their 2022 MARS schedule in conjunction with the
2022 PRS Rimfire schedule and who had published matches to the shooters that they
planned to count for both PRS Rimfire and MARS points. Knowing that shooters may
have already purchased memberships based on these announcements we want to do
right by them and permit these clubs to count points for both series in the 2022 season.
While we do not expect any changes to the overall policy or your votes after the 2022
season, we will revisit the matter with any needed clarifications for future seasons
based on potential developments as we work with PRS MDs and Regional Directors
throughout the 2022 season. We want to make sure that everyone understands that this
policy is intended for competing series with national aspirations, such as MARS and the
NRL, and is not intended for regional PRS Rimfire clubs that work together to provide
their shooters with additional opportunities to compete for local level titles/awards. This
type of local cooperation between PRS clubs is encouraged and welcomed.
Regional directors, if you are aware of any club not listed below that published 2022
season matches prior to Jan 31st that would count for dual points, please make sure to
send us a note so that it can be reviewed and updated. We have a record of the current
MARS schedule, but it is possible a club may have been overlooked.
Policy Update:
Going forward PRS Rimfire Clubs will not be permitted to run PRS sanctioned matches
that also count for points in a competing series with national aspirations and/or
significant resemblance to the PRS in services provided to shooters. Clubs are welcome
to run matches for both series, but a single match will not be able to count for both PRS
points and another competing series. This does not include local cooperation between
PRS clubs to provide shooters with additional opportunities to earn local-level awards
and titles.
To show good faith, the only exception to this policy will be for clubs that had permission
and ran matches that counted for both the PRS and the NRL or MARS, prior to the 2021
PRS Rimfire National Finale on Dec 4, 2021 and/or clubs that have already published
MARS matches for the 2022 season as of Jan 31st that were counting for points in both
series.These clubs to the best of our knowledge include:
• Appalachian Rimfire Shooters
• Black Bear Shooting Complex
• Blackwatch Performance Rimfire Club
• Marianna Field & Stream
• MHF Enterprises Shooting Academy
• MKM Precision
• Northern Virginia Gun Club
• Quail Ridge Sporting Club & Grayman Solutions
• Quantico Shooting Club
• Quinton Sportsmen's Club Inc
• Rosedale Sportsmen's Association
• Shawnee Farms Shooting Sports
• VOD Tactical Rimfire
• Walker County Benchrest
• West Virginia PR
• East Glastonbury
• Reading Revolver
• Sheepdog
• Vermont State Rifle and Pistol
• Wyandot Whackers
h) The three of us who jointly run the matches at XX are in agreement on "No".
i) From our perspective, the rimfire matches should be far more accessible and easier for
people to attend. We strongly disagree with the fact that it will both divide sport and
match attendance suffers. By preventing places that are already in one series from
joining another and running matches that count to both, it is the PRS that is dividing the
sport. Our matches have had attendance from individuals that are in PRS, MARS, NRL,
or a combination of the 3. We had planned to run both PRS and MARS as it is a win-win
for our shooters. Also, with the large list of exceptions what's the point? That adds
further confusion and dilution that you were trying to avoid.
j) XX I appreciate you taking the time to post here. I have been trying to wrap my head
around how having multiple series/dual points races helps unity of our sport (precision
rifle shooting). I'm really having difficulty seeing how having 2 or 3 series with similar
goals (growth of the sport and match attendance) are better off running in parallel vs asingle banner. Namely because I have not been able to identify any other shooting
discipline that has benefited from running two different points races while both working
to attract new shooters and clubs separately. I sent you a PM and would really like to
chat about it further to better understand your perspective. Truly looking forward to
speaking with you when you have some time.
k) I'll think on this one also and get you my perspective. It’s a pretty complex topic when
you break it all apart.
IV. Rule ADD
5.2 PRS Rimfire Match Criteria
5.2 PRS Rimfire Match Criteria
5.2.1 PRS Rimfire matches must be one day events.
5.2.2 PRS Rimfire matches must have 6-12 stages, 8-10 stages are recommended.
5.2.3 PRS Rimfire matches must have a round count of 60 - 120 rounds, 80-100 rounds are
recommended.
5.2.4 PRS Rimfire matches must have a minimum of 10 registered shooters. (Regional director
waivable – no requirement to notify the PRS director. Regional Directors are encouraged to
approve this wavier and assist in growing the sport but maintain the integrity of the series by
working with the MD).
5.2.5 PRS Rimfire matches must be scheduled and posted on the PRS web page at least 30
days in advance of the match date.
5.2.6 There are no minimum or maximum target distances or sizes.
(ADD)
5.2.7 PRS Rimfire Clubs are not permitted to run PRS sanctioned rimfire matches that also
count for points in a competing series with national aspirations and/or significant resemblance
to the PRS in services provided to shooters. Rimfire Clubs are welcome to run matches for
more than one series, but a single match will not be able to count points for both the PRS and
another competing series. Nor will any PRS finale count for points in a competing series. This
does not include local cooperation between PRS clubs to provide shooters with additional
opportunities to earn local-level awards and titles.
Clubs granted an exception to this rule, that are grandfathered in:
• Appalachian Rimfire Shooters
• Black Bear Shooting Complex• Blackwatch Performance Rimfire Club • Marianna Field & Stream • MHF Enterprises Shooting Academy • MKM Precision • Northern Virginia Gun Club • Quail Ridge Sporting Club & Grayman Solutions • Quantico Shooting Club • Quinton Sportsmen's Club Inc • Rosedale Sportsmen's Association • Shawnee Farms Shooting Sports • VOD Tactical Rimfire • Walker County Benchrest • West Virginia PR • East Glastonbury • Reading Revolver • Sheepdog • Vermont State Rifle and Pistol • Wyandot Whackers V. VOTE BY PRS RIMFIRE COMMITTEE a) Yes, I concur with this policy (10 Votes) 1. Levi Wilson 2. Paul Smith 3. Brady Lamm 4. Ja Hymer 5. Brandon Graham 6. Prentice Wink 7. Ben Fleenor 8. Bry Elliott 9. Joseph Hargrave
10. Francis Colon
No, I will leave an explanation in the comments (2 Votes)
1. Matt Enigk
2. Greg Stewart
VI. Abstention
1. PRS Director – Shannon Kay
2. PRS Rimfire Director - Adam Leonberger
VII. MINUTES SUBMITTED BY
a) Julie Kay – PRS Administrative Director
Action Items Owner(s) Deadline Status
Add PRS Rule 5.2.7 Julie Kay Feb 8, 2022 Completed
Publish Minutes and Julie Kay Feb 8, 2022 Completed
in PRS Paid
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