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alien_mame Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 2:37 pm Post subject: Jamma to Mahjong conversion!
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Hi y'all,
To fill you in on the background, I've just spent over £130 on a relatively rare Mahjong board from Japan, and on receipt, it's not a Jamma board. There's a
lovely little red and white sticker over the Jamma edge saying "This connector is not used"!
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Location: Wakefield, West So here is what I've gathered together thus far:-
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The Pony MKIV
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Which is one of these:-
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Taisen Hot Gimmick Integral:-
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Which is one of these:-
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I also have a Mahjong Control Panel:-
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and a Jamma-Mahjong Loom:-
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I fully realise that you chaps are more used to converting from Mahjong to Jamma, but I thought that you may be able to point me in the right direction here, if
for no other reason than to restore some of your Mahjong Karma :)
My main problem is that I don't understand the Mahjong pinout. On the Jamma Harness, each button/control has it's own connector, and I was expecting
something similar on the Mahjong Harness. Nope.
Please help,
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On closer inspection, the Mahjong CP only has 11 wires coming from it, and the Mahjong-Jamma Loom has 11 wires too. Unfortunately, they both have
different sized Molex connectors. The specific problem therefore becomes, how do I trace the controls from the CP to the corresponding connector on the
Mahjong-Jamma Loom?
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This is actually a lot simpler that I first assumed.
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Guest Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 4:45 pm Post subject:
This definitely looks like a job for Dave!
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To start with I think you need to plug the fingerboard into your cab jamma connector & the other connector on to the pcb. This should give you sound & vision
on your cab. You will then have to see which colour wires go to which pins on the connector. Then do the same with the control panel. It will be then a case of
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alien_mame Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 8:03 pm Post subject:
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Thanks very much for the reply dave,
I forgot to mention that I can see the game playing in attract mode, and that the only issue left is to connect up the cp the right way round.
I havew so far traced the connections on the jamma loom back to the finger board, no problem. However, The part that I am struggling with is how to
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Location: Wakefield, West Is trial and error the only way to sort this out?
Yorks, U.K.
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alien_mame Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 8:58 pm Post subject:
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*** UPDATE***
OK, so the main lesson here is to get someone who isn't colour blind to connect up the wires for you.
R Lass has done a perfect job in connecting this thing up.
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caincan Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:16 pm Post subject:
The King Of Fighters 97!
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?!
on YJA, some are selling this game without the plugged harness?! (halfprice) i searched on mame emulation (not yet) but it says the mahjong game is playable
on joystick...
could it be that this harness is ready to go on a loom mahjong jamma, referring to the picture above ?!
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alien_mame Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 1:07 am Post subject:
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Hi caincan,
This seems like it was a whole lifetime ago.
I did post on here about how I managed to get the conversion complete.
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Location: Wakefield, West project. Pity though that the pcbs are now selling for a tenth (10%) of the price I paid
Yorks, U.K.
There are currently two versions on sale from Starpine on YHJ at the moment - The JAMMA version (playable with joystick) for 1500JYN, and the MAHJONG
version (which is the JAMMA version with a converter) for 3000JYN.
I didn't send the converter to Australia
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vib_ribbon Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 6:14 am Post subject:
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alien_mame wrote:
There are currently two versions on sale from Starpine on YHJ at the moment - The JAMMA version (playable with joystick) for 1500JYN, and the MAHJONG
version (which is the JAMMA version with a converter) for 3000JYN.
are there many mahjong games like that, ones that can be played using a regular joystick? if that is the case might be worth picking a couple up before i
eventually locate that control panel for my cab.
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Persons Unknown Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 6:30 am Post subject:
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I have a few mvs Mahjong games and they will play with joystick or mahjong panel
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I have a Mahjong CP for sale - Astrocity stylee.
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caincan Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 11:31 am Post subject:
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thanks alien mame for little doubt i had
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penrhos Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:26 pm Post subject:
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You need one of these
http://page5.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/e56264327
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alien_mame Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 12:17 am Post subject:
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vib_ribbon wrote:
are there many mahjong games like that, ones that can be played using a regular joystick? if that is the case might be worth picking a couple up before i
eventually locate that control panel for my cab.
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Location: Wakefield, West
Yorks, U.K. Here is the joystick part of an ini file I created for MAME32 some time ago. It is complete to MAME.109. Copy the text below, and paste to notepad. Save as
Joystick.ini in your MAME32 folders folder, and restart MAME32. This game list can be accessed from the folders pane on the left of the screen, and includes the
5 NeoGeo games alluded to by Persons Unknown.
Code:
[FOLDER_SETTINGS]
RootFolderIcon cust1
SubFolderIcon cust2
[ROOT_FOLDER]
[Joystick]
bakatono
hypreac2
hypreact
janshin
jjparad2
jjparads
kiwames
mahretsu
minasan
msjiken
ryouran
teljan
telmahjn
tmmjprd
If you don't have MAME32, or a derivative build, copy and paste the above ROM set names into the search bar at MAWS
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alien_mame Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 12:23 am Post subject:
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caincan wrote:
thanks alien mame for little doubt i had
this was THE ero mahjong i wished much and so got an auction with the converter (i would hate to play mahjong with joystick feeling ), so i
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I have played Mahjong with both Joystick AND MAHJONG panel, and I personally found the Joystick very difficult, as you still only get the same amount of time
to select a tile, but instead of just pressing a button, you have to repeatedly hit the joystick to highlight your choice, then select. Just a little more time
consuming, which matters greatly later in the game.
caincan wrote:
(btw dvd-rom ero mahjong seem great too according to a short video on youtube)
Do you have any links for this?? I've seen a few video tapes on YHJ, and nearly bought them
Cheers d00d.
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alien_mame Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 12:27 am Post subject:
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Guddler wrote:
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Hi Guddler,
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Another gratuitous pic of "Mon petit ponie"
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alien_mame Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 12:35 am Post subject:
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penrhos wrote:
You need one of these
http://page5.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/e56264327
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Yorks, U.K. When I picked up the cab from Mr Megs, we had a long discussion about "Game Paradise" in which can be seen lots of Pony IV's with Mahjong panels in, and
we took this as near Gospel truth that Mahjong panels existed for the Pony IV.
I spent the next 10 months looking on Yahoo Japan every day for the proper panel, and I even bought an Astro City panel and a Sega Saturn HSS-330 in the
meantime so I could get to play some of my pcb's.
When I first saw the CPs (same vendor you linked to), I bought 3, and a Hanafuda one too, just to be sure, to be sure .
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vib_ribbon Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:34 am Post subject:
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alien_mame wrote:
If you don't have MAME32, or a derivative build, copy and paste the above ROM set names into the search bar at MAWS
thanks for that. i was thinking more about games on PCB rather than in emulation though. i hope i can track a cheap E2 mahjong panel down soon... however, i
looked at some games that are emulated and i havent found one that i'm super keen on yet, maybe the good ones havent been emulated yet?! which is the
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caincan Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 11:34 am Post subject:
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alien_mame wrote:
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pure hazard of youtube, i was shocked
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOomAzm_Vpw
(seen another picture i dont remember where, the dvdrom player was very old)
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alien_mame Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 10:44 pm Post subject:
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vib_ribbon wrote:
thanks for that. i was thinking more about games on PCB rather than in emulation though. i hope i can track a cheap E2 mahjong panel down soon...
however, i looked at some games that are emulated and i havent found one that i'm super keen on yet, maybe the good ones havent been emulated yet?!
which is the one that in your photo? my personal fave is suchipai on the SFC... played that for years...
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Yeah, the Suchipai series is great, but the game in the photo is Taisen Hot Gimmick Integral, and I can highly recommend both.
Cheers.
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alien_mame Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 10:45 pm Post subject:
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caincan wrote:
pure hazard of youtube, i was shocked
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOomAzm_Vpw
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WOW, very impressive. A few there I didn't recognise
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vib_ribbon Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:16 pm Post subject:
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ah... this hot gimmick mahjong is alright innit??
...must get control panel...
got any other recommendations?
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alien_mame Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 8:26 pm Post subject:
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Hi y'all,
I posted this in another thread in th forum, and it sort of explains how I solved the issues I had. I hope the mods don't mind me duplicating this post, but it really shoud be part of ths thread.
From Penhros' Pana Tin pics, this is a standard Mahjong Multiplex, and can be connected to any Mahjong pcb.
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As I understand it, multiplexing is a way of supporting many more buttons/keys that there are outputs for.
As you can see from your picture above, there are 27 buttons, but only 11 outputs. It works something like this. When you press the "A" button, this causes a connection between two of the 11 pins on your
output. The "B" button will be a connection between a different combination of outputs. Thease are all then decoded on the Mahjong game pcb itself, and that is how the game is controlled.
I have worked out all of the combinations of the Key presses, and these can be tabulated as follows:-
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The names of each pin have been taken from the pinout on my Taisen Hot Gimmick Integral manual (it is useful to think of the Mahjong pinout as another standard like Jamma as all of the pcbs I have
purchased have all had the same edge connector) . The colours have been taken from the wire colours of both Jaleco and Sega Mahjong panels.
The Mahjong pinout is as follows (Solder side left, Parts Side right, P1 & P2):-
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Assume for one moment that we have a JAMMA cab on which we want to play Mahjong pcbs. It's fairly obvious from looking at the above pinouts where to connect sound/video/power/coin etc, etc, etc. What is
not obvious however, is how to connect up the controls.
Here is a very poor pic of my JAMMA to Mahjong loom, but hopefully good enough for demonstration purposes.
Moving from right to left in the picture, the first connector plugs directly onto the Mahjong pcb.
The middle connector plugs into the cab's JAMMA loom, and carries the video/sound/power etc as mentioned above.
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The leftmost connector takes the 11 signals from the Mahjong Control Panel to the game pcb. I bought a set of 12 pin molex connectors and pins from coin.demon.co.uk, and had Tracey look over my shoulder
to tell me which coloured wire to connect to which.
I am very fortunate with the above JAMMA-Mahjong loom as I can leave my cab in its original state, and have the Mahjong panel easily swapped out with the joystick/buttons CP.
I hope this clears things up a bit.
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vib_ribbon Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 8:39 pm Post subject:
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wow, thanks for making this post, i never saw the original so it is very helpful.
edit: am i right to assume that the connector actually plugs into the PCB where the sticker says "this connector is not used"? ...or is it the other connector? would it be possible for you to take a couple more
pictures of the game connected up to your cab/ cp?
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alien_mame Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 9:24 pm Post subject:
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It's actually the other connector. These pcbs run different applications on the same hardware. Arika's Tetris the Grandmaster was also on this hardware, but it is a JAMMA game.
More pics will follow.
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I can confirm thats how it works as I've bodged a loom for the Pana and can play mahjong games with it. I also have an AstroCity Mahjong CP with an adapter connected to it that does the conversion - Its a bit
rough so I'm going to remake it when I have time.
The Plug fits onto the Mahjong edge connector, The fingerboard fits into the JAMMA plug in the cab and the white connector plugs into the connector on the Mahjong CP.
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alien_mame Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 11:38 pm Post subject:
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Thanks for the explanation penhros, I was getting a bit tied up how to put it across.
However, as a picture paints a thousand words, here is a pic of a complete Mahjong setup which is PnP on any JAMMA cab. As you can see from the picture below, the Foster's is pivotal to getting this working
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I have highlighted a few areas of interest in the picture, and intend to add a few more words as a thousand isn't quite enough in this instance
1) Here you can see the 11 wires coming from the Mahjong CP, and connected to the loom by means of a 12 way molex connector. Each wire is represented in it's own colour in the table above.
2)This just plugs straight into the JAMMA loom in any cab/supergun.
3)As you can see, the wiring from the CP is taken to the pcb and connected on the MAHJONG connector side of things. I hope you can just about make out the "This connector is not in use" red and white
sticker covering the JAMMA connector on the board.
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vib_ribbon Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:32 am Post subject:
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ah...thanks for all the information, now everything is a lot clearer.
is G-Taste Mahjong worth getting? i know it's cheap and all, but if it's not a good game it'd just be a waste of space. can you skip the "nuddy" bits in this game?
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It works with a joystick and a JAMMA loom so you dont need a mahjong panel.
If you want some Mahjong PCB's I have a box of 20 - most have instructions too.
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vib_ribbon Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 11:43 am Post subject:
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been playing some hot gimmick on MAME using the keyboard, i can understand why this is so much better than using a stick. thought i might kick off my SMJ account with some mahjong games (from starpine
). considering hot gimmick integral and g-taste at the moment. i guess integral is just the first 3 or 4 hot gimmick games put together, but no idea what this g-taste is like, but might be worth taking the
risk. it's not so much that it's cheap so therefore let's just take the gamble, if the game is no good then even if it is free then i'd rather not have it taking up the space. but if the option is there to play using
joystick, that will buy me time locating that E2 mahjong CP, that's pretty cool.
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alien_mame Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:53 pm Post subject:
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G-Taste is definitely worth getting now that it's about a 10th of the price I paid for it 18 months ago. Incidentally, this is now finally included in MAME.116 released today - yay!!!!
The graphics in G-Taste are superb, but to be honest, and as far as I can remember, the gameplay is a bit boring, but the eye candy more than makes up for this.
Hot Gimmick Integral has characters from all of the first 4 in the series and the characters from G-Taste. The gameplay is very good, and very entertaining, and the AI ingame is good too i.e. you don't get that
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As for the nudity, you do get a choice on screen in all of the Hot Gimmick series as to whether or not you "punish" your losing opponent.
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alien_mame Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:55 pm Post subject:
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penrhos wrote:
If you want some Mahjong PCB's I have a box of 20 - most have instructions too.
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How many???
Dang, I didn't realise you had got to that extent. I'll have to have another look at what you got.
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vib_ribbon Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 1:16 pm Post subject:
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i've made the bids for those 2 games now, so i'll see how it goes.
the difficulty level on hot gimmick 1 is pretty low so that suits me just fine, i hope integral is the same.
quick question on when you've declared "reach" in hot gimmick and it goes into auto tsumo mode, is there a button that allows you to see what pieces you're looking for to win?
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alien_mame Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:56 am Post subject:
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vib_ribbon wrote:
i've made the bids for those 2 games now, so i'll see how it goes.
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the difficulty level on hot gimmick 1 is pretty low so that suits me just fine, i hope integral is the same.
Yeah, they're on a par. Integral is just "bigger"
vib_ribbon wrote:
quick question on when you've declared "reach" in hot gimmick and it goes into auto tsumo mode, is there a button that allows you to see what pieces you're looking for to win?
Short answer:-
"No".
Long answer:-
I'm not sure I understand what you are asking!! When you delcare "Reach!" you are only one tile away from completeing your hand, surely you know which tile(s) you need to get out, otherwise you'd not have
declared "Reach!"
Hmmm.
Top game(s) at any rate.
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alien_mame Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:01 am Post subject:
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Oh yeah, if you haven't seen it yet, kiyo21 has done a very good job of documenting Video Mahjong under the guise of "Mahjong in MAME".
As luck would have it, he like teh Psikyo stuff, and has written up a lot of info in the first three installments. The first can be seen Here:-
http://www.mahjonginmame.nm.ru/games_hotgmck.htm
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vib_ribbon Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:14 am Post subject:
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alien mame> when you have declared reach, it could be 1 of 2, 3, 4, 5, etc possible pieces that you need to win depending on the pieces you have played. sometimes the player might not know all the different
combinations the winning hand can be (due to the time limit). i just remember in suchipai on the SFC you could press a button and it'll show you all the pieces you could win with and that was very handy. it's
not essential, but handy feature i thought.
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Guddler Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 7:40 pm Post subject:
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I'll have to look into a PCB and panel when I get me a suitable cab - see what all this Mahjong m'larky is about. I sold my only mj pcb years ago because i didn't understand WTF was going on
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alien_mame Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:02 pm Post subject:
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vib_ribbon wrote:
alien mame> when you have declared reach, it could be 1 of 2, 3, 4, 5, etc possible pieces that you need to win depending on the pieces you have played. sometimes the player might not know all the
different combinations the winning hand can be (due to the time limit). i just remember in suchipai on the SFC you could press a button and it'll show you all the pieces you could win with and that was
very handy. it's not essential, but handy feature i thought.
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alien_mame Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:03 pm Post subject:
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Guddler wrote:
I'll have to look into a PCB and panel when I get me a suitable cab - see what all this Mahjong m'larky is about. I sold my only mj pcb years ago because i didn't understand WTF was going on
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caincan Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 3:55 pm Post subject:
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tested "virtual" coins on the g-taste rom w/mame.116 , not easy task, lot of draw games,
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vib_ribbon Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:58 pm Post subject:
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Finally I have my control panel...what, after 6 months, something like that??!! ...bu...bu...but, no
mahjong to JAMMA harness. Bugger, but the hard work is done hopefully, and I am almost there
for some mahjong action!
Some pix:
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caincan Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:03 pm Post subject:
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looks like a tchernobyl panel
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alien_mame Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 3:23 am Post subject:
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Dang, how did I miss this post.
That EII Mahjong panel lookz teh mutz nutz!!!
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