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“IN THE ROOM WHERE IT HAPPENS”

Approaches to engaging people with direct
experience of poverty in the development of
local child poverty policy
Written by
Sarah Stocks
Northern Star Associates
www.northernstarassociates.co.uk
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Published by:
The Poverty Alliance
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influence policy and practice, support communities to challenge poverty, provide evidence
through research and build public support for the solutions to tackle poverty. Our members
include grassroots community groups, academics, large national NGOs, voluntary
organisations, statutory organisations, trade unions, and faith groups.

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About Get Heard Scotland
Get Heard Scotland (GHS) is a programme coordinated by the Poverty Alliance and funded
by the Scottish Government as part of Every Child Every Chance, the Scottish Government’s
Tackling Child Poverty Delivery Plan. GHS is designed to help people on low incomes
get their voices heard on the policies and decisions that most impact their lives and their
communities. Very simply, it aims to find out – by holding discussions with people affected by
poverty across Scotland and with the organisations that support people affected by poverty
– what is working in their community, what is not working, and what needs to change to
better support people living on low incomes and loosen the grip of poverty on their lives.
CONTENTS

Executive Summary............................................................................................................. 2

Recommendations.............................................................................................................. 4

Introduction......................................................................................................................... 6

Our approach to this research............................................................................................ 6

How could we apply principles of participation to increase
meaningful participation by people with experience of low
incomes in the development of child poverty action reports?.......................................... 7
    KNOWLEDGE: How do we share and exchange knowledge
    with people who have lived experience of poverty?........................................................... 9
    ACTION: How do we ensure people with lived experience
    of poverty can take action in local government?.............................................................. 10
    CONSCIOUSNESS: How do people relate their
    place in the world to other people’s experience?............................................................. 11
    Implementing participation in local authorities.................................................................. 13

What practical examples are there of participation in
local policy making which are relevant to the development
of local child poverty action reports?............................................................................... 14
    Relational learning pairs between decision-makers
    and people with lived experience of low income.............................................................. 14
    Participatory research leading to service review............................................................... 15
    Mini public...................................................................................................................... 16
    Online forum................................................................................................................... 18
    Participative review of policy........................................................................................... 19
    Panel.............................................................................................................................. 20
    Poverty Truth Commission.............................................................................................. 20
    Deliberative participatory budgeting................................................................................ 22

CASE STUDY: Renfrewshire.............................................................................................. 23

CASE STUDY: Inverclyde.................................................................................................. 27

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    EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
    How was this report produced?                     Greater knowledge means including local
    Researched and written in 2021 by Sarah           people’s perspectives alongside the statistical
    Stocks of Northern Star for Poverty               data about poverty that is normally gathered
    Alliance, this report for the Get Heard           by decision-makers. Action in the context of
    Scotland project collates learning and            policy means solving underlying problems
    practical approaches to include people            rather than just letting people feel heard:
    with lived experience of poverty in local         looking to change policy as well as adjust the
    policy development. As a change-focused           way services are delivered. Consciousness
    piece of research, this project analysed          is when policy makers, people experiencing
    data from local child poverty action reports      poverty and the wider population reflect
    across Scotland and from 30 interviews with       on their own attitudes, coming to a fuller
    community activists, their supporters and         understanding of their and others’ place in
    policy makers. We applied these insights          the community, becoming more aware of
    through focused development work with             different relationships of power. We should
    Renfrewshire and Inverclyde Councils, to          not expect that any one participatory
    increase the channels for lived experience to     method could possibly include every person
    influence their child poverty policy.             and fully develop knowledge, action and
                                                      consciousness. Instead, we should look to
    What are the key principles of effective
                                                      develop programmes of participation which
    participation in making policy?
                                                      include a number of different interventions in
    Participatory approaches must include
                                                      concert, allowing people with different needs
    an understanding of other dimensions of
                                                      to influence through different channels.
    poverty beyond money. Participation is not
    just about being heard – for expressing           Where is participation different from
    yourself is not the same as having the            consultation? Good participative practice
    agency to make a difference to your               moves on from just asking people to give
    situation. Whilst participatory approaches        us their opinion, to enabling them to shape
    must include listening to people, they            decision-makers’ opinions in the room,
    should also aim to make a difference to           to being in the room where that decision
    those people. Participation needs us to           making happens and being part of those
    make a long-term commitment towards               decisions. One-time contributions from
    increasing equality of marginalised people.       consultation necessarily cannot allow
    For institutions like local authorities who are   individuals to weigh up alternatives or
    trying to deepen the influence on policy of       combine features of different ideas into
    people who experience poverty, increasing         a coherent approach. We must privilege
    meaningful influence is still worthwhile, even    relationship over hearing lived experience.
    if there are some areas that this influence       This means we should involve people, not
    does not reach.                                   just gather their stories. The outcomes of
                                                      this type of engagement are not merely an
    What are the outcomes of effective
                                                      understanding of others’ opinions, but the
    participation? We can think of good
                                                      relationships that they build, the opinions
    participation as producing three changes:
                                                      that they evolve, and the contribution that
    knowledge, action and consciousness.
                                                      they make to changing policy.
What are some practical examples of             • Participative review of policy: people with
participation in local policy making              experience of poverty spend time with a
relevant to the development of local              worker in interviews and a focus group.
child poverty action reports?                     The aim of the interviews is to review the
• Relational learning pairs: decision-makers      Local Child Poverty Action Report and
  meeting 1-1 with people with lived              make recommendations about where the
  experience of low income. Participants          strategy should be changed.
  are matched into learning pairs which         • Panel: a group of people with experience
  meet regularly, with one partner a              of low income and willingness to
  professional from the council, and              advocate for change, act as an advisory
  another a person from the community             panel for decision-makers. Typically an
  with lived experience of low income.            advisory panel would provide comment
• Participatory research leading to service       on new ideas and provide an opportunity
  review: working with the support of skilled     to collaborate with grassroots activists,
  facilitators and researchers, ordinary          acting as a sounding board for a
  people with lived experience work as            decision-making group.
  peer researchers, gather evidence from        • Poverty Truth commissions: these
  others in their situation, and then begin       examine inequality and experiences of
  a working group with decisionmakers to          poverty, involving people with experience
  collectively revise policy and service in       of poverty alongside commissioners with
  response to findings.                           decision-making power, experience in
• Mini public: a deliberative, short term         business, or academic interests. The
  process involving a representative              emphasis in Poverty Truth Commissions
  group of local people with experience of        is on understanding the perspectives
  poverty weighing up evidence, leading to        of people with experience of poverty,
  recommendations for further work. Mini          and connecting their expertise to
  publics are broken up into two or more          decisionmakers, as a way of clarifying
  interactive, discursive sessions, which         and tackling issues of poverty as they
  are designed to give participants enough        manifest in a defined local area.
  time to talk about and understand the         • Deliberative participatory budgeting
  issue (dialogue) and then come up with          models: create space for participants
  suggestions on how to respond to the            to talk about the problems they are
  issue (deliberation).                           experiencing and evolve solutions
• Online forum: this gathers together people      together. This is a longer term process,
  with experience of poverty and the desire       rather than a short term competition,
  to contribute their experience. They may        with participants gathering to discuss
  use a private group in a social network,        their priorities and evolve ideas, over a
  or in a bespoke platform. A facilitator         yearly funding cycle.
  engages with people around particular
  topics, posing questions and gathering
  views, which may be general experience
  or might be opinions about a service.
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    RECOMMENDATIONS
    Recommendations for local                        • Actively make connections between each
    authorities to help deepen their                   piece of participatory work – for example,
    participatory practice:                            encouraging people to consider further
     • Ensure that participation leads your            engagement by taking part in a follow-up
       institution further than simply better          group or forum, or showing people how
       listening, to changing what they do.            there’s been change over time, relating
                                                       today’s recommendations to earlier
     • Look to increase meaningful influence of        results of other processes.
       people with lived experience of poverty
       in policy development, even if there are      • Honour the person who brings their lived
       some areas that this influence does not         experience and engage with them as a
       reach.                                          whole being with influence, not solely as
                                                       a story.
     • Design programmes of participation
       which include a number of different           • Give experts by experience the space to
       interventions, allowing people with             build relationships with people involved in
       different needs to influence through            decision-making.
       different channels.                           • Put in place helpers who can bridge the
     • Work towards approaches which bring             gap between those who have learnt how
       together sustained groups of local              to navigate through the institution, and
       people with direct experience of poverty,       citizens who have only just stepped into
       rather than relying only on third sector        the space of local government.
       organisations to share their views.           • Consider setting up partnership with a
     • Resource participation through funding          national organisation a step removed
       participatory processes that are                from local concerns in order to deepen
       evolved and staffed by local community          and sustain engagement with citizens.
       connectors who are trusted by citizens,       • Challenge yourself to give more weight
       rather than asking these groups to              to lived experience. If we consider lived
       supply their views through consultations.       experience as either partial and biased,
     • Provide independent facilitation and            or as inauthentic and polished, we allow
       support for groups of citizens to meet          no space for lived experience to ever be
       together as activists over the long term,       recognised as true.
       beyond any time-limited processes.            • Focus on building up relationships with
     • Recognise the importance of dialogue            people rather than extracting participants
       and group reflection, as opposed to             for a new initiative.
       relying solely on bilateral or one-way        • Participation should not be merely
       communication between citizens and              consultative but influential; rather than
       councils. This is because policy is made        seeing engagement as taking on views
       through refining ideas by different parties     of people once at the beginning of a
       over time.                                      project, set up opportunities to work
                                                       through things with reference to them as
                                                       an equal partner, over time.
How to run participatory approaches              • Dedicate time at meetings to setting
well in the room where they happen:                ground rules around sharing lived
• Make pathways to changing policy                 experience. For example, participants
  visible and real for participants as well as     are not required to share personal stories
  decision makers.                                 and where they do, all participants
                                                   commit to listening to understand, not
• Take care to feed back to people how             to challenge or respond. It may be
  far their influence has reached into the         helpful to set expectations that certain
  institution as they may not be in those          agenda items are about understanding
  rooms to see for themselves.                     experience and don’t require decision
• Work to decode practices which can be            makers to defend their practice but to
  opaque to people outside the council –           listen in order to understand. Other items
  such as meeting bureaucracy and wordy            later in the same meeting may be to
  papers.                                          formulate action and these are the space
                                                   to debate or interrogate the practice
• When bringing people into decision
                                                   of the council, but not to interrogate
  maker’s spaces, consider the ratio of
                                                   individuals’ lives.
  lived experience to decision makers and
  make sure there is a critical mass of          • Think about those who are absent as
  people from marginalised social groups           well as present. Consider where your
  to offer support to one another. If they         approach doesn’t have participants
  are in the minority, they may not be seen        who are, for example, parents of young
  by themselves or others as welcome or            children, or have English as a second
  genuinely equal partners, and their voice        language, or are learning disabled. How
  may be isolated.                                 will this approach link with others to
                                                   understand the lived experience of these
• Pay for time of people giving their lived
                                                   groups?
  experience, either as honorarium for
  attendance at processes, or by setting         • Give a role to professionals to broker
  up contracts as consultants or part-time         the knowledge to their colleagues who
  workers.                                         are not in the room; and to bring back
                                                   to participants an account of how this
• Ensure that helpers and people with
                                                   knowledge has influenced others.
  lived experience have time to affect
  the agenda of meetings and the way
  documents are phrased and discussed,
  and put time in to brief lived experience
  members ahead of meetings.

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    INTRODUCTION
    A    s part of the Get Heard Scotland project,
         Poverty Alliance commissioned Sarah
    Stocks of Northern Star to research potential
                                                      Authorities have the responsibility, in
                                                      partnership with Health Boards, to produce
                                                      annual Child Poverty Action Reports.
    approaches to engaging people with direct         Throughout the development of these plans,
    experience of poverty in the development          at both the national and local levels, there is
    of local child poverty policy. This work was      an expectation that there will be engagement
                                                      with the 3rd sector and with people who
    intended to complement and add to the
                                                      have experienced poverty.
    Poverty Alliance’s existing programme of
    work to engage with people living on low          This report reflects the approach of Get
    incomes and feed this experience into local       Heard Scotland through two strands:
    and national policy.                              by gathering first-hand knowledge from
                                                      community activists, their supporters and
    The Child Poverty (Scotland) Act sets             policy makers about practical approaches
    ambitious targets for poverty reduction on        to include people with lived experience of
    Scotland by 2030. Whilst the actions of           poverty in policy development; and secondly
    Scottish and UK government will be crucial        by working with Renfrewshire and Inverclyde
    to achieving these targets, the efforts of        local authorities to increase the channels
    Local Authorities will also be critical. This     for lived experience to influence their child
    is recognised in the Act whereby Local            poverty policy.

    Our approach to this research
    As a change-focused piece of research, this          Commission’s review of the Local Child
    project analysed data from people involved           Poverty Action Reports 2019).
    in different roles of engaging with lived
                                                       • Reviewing published and unpublished
    experience of poverty, and also attempted
                                                         reports of participatory approaches to
    to apply these insights through focused
                                                         local policy making in Scotland. This
    development work in the particular contexts
                                                         included evaluations and case studies
    of Renfrewshire and Inverclyde Councils.
                                                         produced by third sector organisations,
    Here’s some of what we did to gather data:           local authorities and health boards in
                                                         Scotland.
     • reviewing all available local child poverty
       action reports for the 32 local authorities.    • Interviewing six community activists
       Some authorities had produced reports             who had taken part in local and national
       for both 2018-19 and 2019-20 periods;             examples of lived experience testimony.
       for others Covid had delayed the second
                                                       • Interviewing professionals from a number
       report which was not available for the
                                                         of voluntary organisations and statutory
       period of this research.
                                                         agencies, nine involved in policy and six
     • Analysing examples of good practice               in frontline interventions.
       identified by the Poverty and Inequality
                                                       • Interviewing nine local council
       Commission, Improvement Service
                                                         professionals in community engagement
       Scotland and the Poverty Alliance,
                                                         roles or policy development functions.
       such as (See Poverty and Inequality
HOW COULD WE APPLY
PRINCIPLES OF PARTICIPATION
TO INCREASE MEANINGFUL
PARTICIPATION BY PEOPLE WITH
EXPERIENCE OF LOW INCOMES
IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF CHILD
POVERTY ACTION REPORTS?
P    articipation is a recognition that
     people experiencing a society which
systematically disrespects them, have the
                                                     decisions, over how people think of you,
                                                     over your control of your own time. This
                                                     means that participatory approaches, to be
right, just as much as people respected in           effective, must include an understanding of
society, to have influence over decisions            other dimensions of power beyond money.
that affect their lives. Participation is a          Someone taking part in a participatory
                                                     approach organised by a local authority
fundamental freedom underlying all human
                                                     may have to negotiate a number of different
rights, and is necessary for us to live with
                                                     inequalities; they may not be on equal
dignity, and to see our rights realised
                                                     terms with the people organising the
equally in communities. One of the core              approach, and this can lead to mistrust and
expressions of participation is derived from         to significant harm unless the organisers
justice-oriented civil rights movements:             appreciate how power manifests in different
“nothing about us without us ”, a rallying cry       forms for different people.
developed by South African disability rights
                                                     One key aspect of power is agency.
advocates. Participation is a way to set right
                                                     Participation is not just about being heard
the conditions of society for some of its            – for expressing yourself is not the same as
members who are stigmatised according to             having the agency to make a difference to your
one or many socially–determined labels: of           situation. Whilst participatory approaches must
race, of disability, of sexuality, and of poverty.   include listening to people, they should also
Attempts to increase the influence of people         aim to make a difference to those people. This
in the services and organisations which              means that those who commission community
surround their communities, must take                engagement should also look to their own
into account power differentials between             power over decisions, and consider whether
marginalised people in communities and               what they hear makes any difference to what
those governing them. Poverty is expressed           they do. For large institutions, participation
not only as a lack of financial means. Poverty       must lead the institution beyond simply better
is also manifest in powerlessness over               listening, to changing what they do.

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    We should consider participation as one                    about poverty that is normally gathered by
    attempt to address injustice, but one that                 decision-makers. Understanding how people
    needs us to make a long-term commitment                    experience the system of local and national
    towards increasing equality, rather than                   services, is equally important as a source
    something that can be achieved in a single                 of knowledge that be used to drive change.
    action. Whilst one conception of participation             However this knowledge must go deeper
    is as a ladder, with different rungs                       than consultation, which is an approach
    representing a progressively better forms                  limited to narrowly defined topics proposed
    of participation, this framing can imply that              by authorities, and which doesn’t attempt
    there are ideal forms of participation which               to understand the interplay of different
    are the only legitimate aim. Instead we can                services and the broader texture of people’s
    understand participation as like someone                   circumstances.
    learning a language; a person doesn’t                      Action requires attention to solving underlying
    learn to speak in a single conversation, but               problems rather than just letting people feel
    knowing a few more words means they                        heard; looking to change policy as well as
    can communicate better, even if they are                   adjust the way services are delivered.
    not totally fluent. For institutions like local
    authorities who are trying to deepen the                   Consciousness means recognising that
    influence on policy of people who experience               the attitudes held by policy makers, people
    poverty, increasing meaningful influence is                experiencing poverty and the wider population
    still worthwhile, even if there are some areas             are significant. A process of reflection may
    that this influence does not reach. As What                lead to people understanding their place in
    Works Scotland described in their 2017                     the community differently, becoming more
    evidence review about overcoming inequality                aware of different relationships of power.
    in community engagement, “the public                       Consciousness also means acknowledging the
    may well hear and be heard, yet they lack                  stigma and bias held both by individuals and
    the power to be listened to and influence                  present in institutions, and that policy makers
    decisions. They therefore have little chance               may learn through relationship with people
    of challenging or changing things. In some                 who experience poverty.
    cases there may not be equal power-sharing                 Knowledge, action and consciousness
    but there may be real clarity on the level                 are all integral parts of participation, and a
    of power-sharing and an understanding                      particular participatory method may lean into
    of who has a degree of power and control                   one of these areas more than the others. We
    over decisions. This is arguably a key step                should not expect that any one method could
    in a longer process of reform to open up                   possibly include every individual and address
    decision-making black boxes.”1                             all of these areas. Instead, we should look to
    So given this understanding that poverty                   develop programmes of participation which
    has more dimensions than money, how can                    include a number of different interventions,
    we make participation that’s increasingly                  allowing people with different needs to
    meaningful to those involved and that’s                    influence through different channels. Policy
    increasingly effective in leading to change?               makers should look to build programmes
    We can think of good participation as                      that should balance these three areas, so
    holding three things in balance: knowledge,                that people understand the experience of
    action and consciousness2.                                 poverty better, that change happens, and that
                                                               decision-makers learn and are challenged by
    Knowledge means including local people’s                   other people’s perspectives.
    perspectives alongside the statistical data

    1
        Lightbody, R. (2017) ‘Hard to reach’ or ‘easy to ignore’? Promoting equality in community engagement,
        Edinburgh: What Works Scotland.
    2
        Brock, Karen, and McGee, Rosemary (2002) Knowing Poverty: Critical Reflections on Participatory Research
        and Policy, Institute of Development Studies
KNOWLEDGE: How do we share and exchange
knowledge with people who have lived
experience of poverty?
Good participative practice moves on from        This is one of the reasons why meaningful
just asking people to give us their opinion,     participation in local authorities needs to
to enabling them to shape decision-makers’       deepen from consultation, into dialogue,
opinions in the room, to being in the room       deliberation and ultimately to influencing
where that decision making happens and           decision-making. Participation involves more
being part of those decisions. There are         meaningful, multilateral communication as
stages on the way to this – perhaps some         well as sharing of power.
sort of asynchronous dialogue as is outlined
                                                 In the course of this research, community
below in Aberdeenshire’s online forum;
                                                 activists as well as professionals in
perhaps allowing reflection on previous
                                                 institutions pointed out that each person
projects’ impact as in the Glasgow appraisal
                                                 who takes part in engaging with their
project. Good practice is enabling a broader
                                                 local authority has a different experience,
range of people with experience of poverty
                                                 is not representative of all other people
to have a greater influence at more stages of
                                                 experiencing poverty, and that there may
the process of decision-making.
                                                 be different barriers to engagement for
Part of allowing decision-making to be           different people. So it makes sense to use a
influenced by the perspectives of people         variety of different approaches in concert, to
who have experienced poverty, is the             ensure that there are the maximum possible
importance of dialogue and group reflection,     range of ways to take part for seldom-heard
as opposed to relying solely on bilateral or     people, including those with protected
one-way communication between citizens           characteristics. It is unlikely that any one
and councils. This is because policy is          of the models laid out in this report would
made through refining ideas by different         be sufficient, on its own, to understand the
parties over time. One-time contributions        diversity of experience amongst people
from consultation necessarily cannot allow       who’ve known poverty.
individuals to weigh up alternatives or
                                                 As part of this, we should also actively
combine features of different ideas into a
                                                 make connections between each piece
coherent approach.
                                                 of participatory work – for example,
Because of stigma, some good practice            encouraging people to consider further
encourages anonymous contributions from          engagement taking part in a follow-up group
individuals; however there is great value in     or forum, or showing people how there’s
a group of people who are engaging with          been change over time, relating today’s
one another’s experience and refining their      recommendations to earlier results of other
views through dialogue with one another.         processes. This was highlighted by many
There is a real disadvantage to people who       grassroots organisations and activists as key
are expressing their reality to power, without   to ensuring that participation is not tokenistic;
solidarity, as the power imbalance between       if participation is meaningful, it must produce
the individuals and the institution is great.    a change or a deeper understanding.

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     ACTION: How do we ensure people with lived
     experience of poverty can take action in local
     government?
     When we consider what the local authority           learnt how to navigate through the institution,
     can learn from people with experience of            and citizens who have only just stepped
     poverty, we must privilege relationship over        into the space of local government? Often
     “lived experience”. This means resisting            this needs people who are empathetic and
     the call to commodifying lived experience           have built relationships with local citizens,
     as something transactional, in favour of            who can walk with them as supporters and
     honouring the person and engaging with              interpreters, whilst also keeping an eye on
     them as a whole being with influence, not           the mechanisms of change.
     solely as a story. People who’ve been asked
                                                         Further to this, it is important to make
     to share their story have sometimes felt that
                                                         pathways to changing policy visible and real
     it’s only their lived experience that counts –
                                                         for participants as well as legislators. It’s not
     even if the retelling of that story makes them
                                                         enough for authorities to say “thanks for your
     feel vulnerable or reduces them to a particular
                                                         input, we will now consider this and make
     circumstance. Community activists stressed
                                                         our own decisions.” Local authorities have
     that the effectiveness of many participatory
                                                         got to make clear which recommendations
     processes rests on those experts by
                                                         they are following up, and why or why not
     experience being given the space to build
                                                         they are being implemented. This should be
     relationships with people involved in decision-
                                                         done both at the wider level of public reports
     making. Whilst lived experience testimony
                                                         about their engagement activities, and in
     is becoming more highly valued as a means
                                                         feedback directly to participants who have
     of greater knowledge for professionals, it is
                                                         contributed their views.
     important that the stories not be more highly
     valued than the people who tell these stories.      There are different roles that local authorities
     We should involve people, rather than gather        should consider necessary to make
     stories, and allow the relationships that they      meaningful participation translate into
     build, the opinions that they evolve, the           change. The first key role is certainly having
     contribution that they make to be the reasons       independent facilitation and support for a
     for doing engagement. It’s not enough to            group of activist citizens; secondly there is
     just harvest the insight from their story, whilst   a role to play as a broker or ally, from within
     preventing the person themselves from having        the council, to ensure that some change
     a place in deciding how and where that story        actually follows. There’s evidence that having
     makes a difference.                                 partnership with a national organisation
                                                         who is a step removed from local concerns
     There is a confidence and skill required to
                                                         can deepen and sustain engagement with
     engage with the bureaucracy of institutions
                                                         citizens. For example, Scottish Womens’ Aid
     of power. This needs to be acknowledged
                                                         carried out research, in partnership with Fife
     and supported by councils as they invite
                                                         Domestic and Sexual Abuse Partnership,
     people to participate. Councils should ask
                                                         aimed at improving housing options for
     themselves, how can the local authority
                                                         women living in Fife. The research was
     decode its opaque practices? Who can
                                                         carried out by women who had experienced
     bridge the gap between those who have
homelessness as a result of domestic abuse.                  have that power differential; although we
Scottish Women’s Aid found that women                        have to be careful with local relationships,”
with direct experience of the issue leading                  commented an interviewee from Scottish
the work was a fundamental factor for                        Women’s Aid. Organisations which are not
success in this policy development; but so                   locally based can usefully hold space for
was having a national organisation, not locally              local participants, challenge assumptions
based, which could support women directly                    from local authorities and maintain a focus
alongside Fife Women’s Aid. “The difficulty                  independent of fluctuations locally. Another
for local groups is the relationship with local              community activist with experience in poverty
authority, because they are often dependent                  truth commissions highlighted the importance
on them for funding: there’s a great power                   of “a neutral party bringing the two sides
differential. Scottish Women’s Aid don’t                     together”.

CONSCIOUSNESS: How do people relate their
place in the world to other people’s experience?
Stigma is a real barrier for people to take                  ascribe personal details to someone else:
part in anti-poverty strategy. Whilst we                     “this happened to my sister”.
do want to name the reality of poverty in
                                                             One community engagement professional
people’s lives, for some it can take quite
                                                             interviewed believed that stigma can be
a consciousness-raising process to be
                                                             overcome by in place-based participation
able to face the stigma they live under,
                                                             which focuses on communities, rather
without personal shame. For example,
                                                             than socio-demographic categories –
Aberdeenshire Council found that an online
                                                             bringing people along from within their
forum which allowed people to contribute
                                                             neighbourhood, rather than defining them
anonymously, worked well for people living
                                                             primarily by their income level. Other
in small villages who were concerned that
                                                             research on participatory processes have
taking part in in-person anti-poverty work
                                                             found the importance of including a critical
would be very visible to their neighbours.
                                                             mass of participants from a marginalised
One community activist who had taken part
                                                             group, to allow their voice to be heard
in a Poverty Truth Commission described
                                                             and to be influential in group discussion.3
how the building up of understanding over
                                                             Confidence can also be an important thing
time, between commissioners who had
                                                             to bolster for participants; facilitators don’t
experience of poverty and those who were
                                                             just run a participatory process, they can
professionals, allowed them the safety to
                                                             also be supporters for participants, finding
share their experience, in the context of
                                                             ways for them to overcome barriers of status
a relationship. Another activist described
                                                             and lack of confidence.
how in a group of people invited to share
their lived experience, some would find it                   It’s also important to consider the value given
hard to do face to face, and so would use                    by the policy-making group to certain forms
pre-recorded video to share their story, or                  of communication, such as telling a story4.

3
    James, M. (2008) Descriptive representation in citizens assemblies. IN Warren, E. And Pearse, H (eds) IN
    Designing Deliberative Democracy: the British Columbia Citizens Assembly. Cambridge University Press
    (pp 106-26)
4
    Smith, G. (2009) Designing Institutions for Citizen Participation. Cambridge University Press.

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     In a participatory approach, are personal                   unreliable or partial; whilst community
     stories given as much weight as very formal                 activists who successfully manage to break
     reasoning which is detached from a person’s                 into professional discussions are seen as
     experience – or are stories dismissed as                    inauthentic to their communities – “the usual
     ‘anecdotal’? Decision-makers need to                        suspects” who are no longer authentic
     become conscious of how they dismiss or                     voices of their community.5 If we consider
     value knowledge according to its source,                    lived experience as either partial and biased,
     and the way it is presented. Professionals in               or as inauthentic and polished, we allow
     local authorities sometimes doubt whether                   no space for lived experience to ever be
     lived experience will be valued as highly as                recognised as true.
     experience rooted in professional research
                                                                 The divide between governed people and
     or illustrated by statistics. In conversations
                                                                 those in government can be deepened by
     with people working in local authorities,
                                                                 stigma, but also by the history of people’s
     some professionals expressed their concern
                                                                 engagement with government. People
     that lived experience stories would be
                                                                 can feel that they, as individuals or as a
     dismissed by colleagues as anecdotal,
                                                                 group, have been left behind, and this real
     that they would need to translate personal
                                                                 perception of power imbalance makes it
     testimony into a more ‘corporate’ format,
                                                                 important that local authorities work with
     to make it credible by writing it a certain
                                                                 trusted community connectors. This may be
     way with quantitative evidence. Underlying
                                                                 people from a local authority service or from
     this is a genuine concern for credibility
                                                                 a grassroots local group; what is important,
     of evidence – but also an attitude that
                                                                 said many community activists and
     expresses the division between the people
                                                                 locally-based organisations, is in building
     who are involved in government, and those
                                                                 up relationships rather than extracting
     who are not. Sometimes professionals have
                                                                 participants for some new initiative. Where
     been taught that qualitative evidence, which
                                                                 possible, processes should be rooted
     includes testimony, is not reliable, indeed
                                                                 in existing local organisations or locality
     that it’s naïve and illogical, unless it has
                                                                 groups. Local authorities should consider
     been reviewed and expressed by another
                                                                 resourcing participation through funding
     acceptable professional, who can place
                                                                 participatory processes that are evolved
     the correct interpretation on these stories.
                                                                 and staffed by local community connectors
     However the role of qualitative research is
                                                                 who are trusted, rather than asking these
     to bring out new insights that deepen our
                                                                 groups to supply their views through
     understanding – we don’t judge this kind
                                                                 consultations. This may mean ceding total
     of evidence by whether or not it fits with
                                                                 control of processes, in favour of cultivating
     our own experience but to understand
                                                                 and resourcing long-term relationships which
     something new to our experience. There
                                                                 nurture community activists in their own
     is a trap here when professionals demote
                                                                 communities.
     lived experience testimony as being

     5
         This follows Michael Marker’s article ‘Indigenous voice, community, and epistemic violence: The ethnographer’s
         ‘interests’ and what ‘interests’ the ethnographer’, in Jackson, A, and Mazzei, L (2009) Qualitative Inquiry
         Challenging conventional, interpretive, and critical conceptions in qualitative research , Routledge
Implementing                                    as defending the position of the local
                                                authority, rather than advocating for what
participation in                                they believed to be right. However other
local authorities                               professionals described how the veracity
                                                of particular experience was a necessary
During this research, people working in         counter to a corporate position statement.
local authorities as well as community          To them, the strength of lived experience
activists identified that it is necessary not   testimony was that it was not trying to be a
only to listen to the voices of people with     general statement, but was something that
lived experience of low income; it is also      couldn’t be argued with, as it had actually
necessary that professionals implement          happened to a real person. Giving weight
what they learn from these experts into their   to that individual’s experience was the very
policy-making. There were a number of           thing that was useful to expose policies and
reflections from professionals carrying out     practices which weren’t working for citizens.
this role about the best ways to do this.       Some professionals and community activists
Since much policy development and service       therefore argued that lived experience
reviews are carried out without a fully co-     testimony should not be aggregated into
designed process including people with          an analysis which removed all details of one
lived experience at every decision point,       person’s experience; instead they should be
professionals have found that they needed       used as tools to identify problems, which
to mediate the voices of lived experience       professionals should then develop policies to
to their colleagues. One professional           solve. In this way of working, professionals
described the brokering process needed          in local authorities played a role more like an
to communicate the recommendations of           ally of citizens, bringing their lived experience
a poverty truth commission to services in       into everyday working conversations, and
their local authority. The professional would   ensuring that all policy meetings considered
advocate on behalf of citizens, recognising     the insight that lived experience could bring
that they couldn’t always secure the            them. One pitfall of this approach was that
changes requested by the Commission, but        people with lived experience were not able to
attempting to persuade and at least ensuring    see how far their influence reached, unless
a good understanding between services and       professionals took care to feed back to them.
citizens who didn’t meet. Other professionals   Another challenge highlighted by a local
saw their role as an expert witness,            authority professional was that changes
representing the external communities who       proposed by colleagues may not have
had shared their stories. They would present    prevented the problems that people with
testimony and challenge their colleagues to     lived experience were able to identify. This
consider the weight of this testimony and       professional recounted how having people
come up with their own solutions to fix their   with lived experience in a working group
policy, so that the problems raised by the      together with professionals, allowed those
stories didn’t happen again.                    with lived experience to discount proposed
Some professionals found the nature of lived    solutions that would not have made any
experience testimony to be a challenge to       difference to the situations they had been
their ‘corporate’ way of working and felt       in. This shows the gains made by involving
the need to fit these experiences into the      people with lived experience in the process
mould of corporate decision papers. This        of solving problems, rather than by merely
‘corporate’ way of working was defined          asking them to identify problems.
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     WHAT PRACTICAL EXAMPLES
     ARE THERE OF PARTICIPATION
     IN LOCAL POLICY MAKING
     WHICH ARE RELEVANT TO THE
     DEVELOPMENT OF LOCAL CHILD
     POVERTY ACTION REPORTS?
     Relational learning pairs between decision-
     makers and people with lived experience of
     low income.
     How does this work?                              this idea, where professionals took part
     Participants are matched into learning           in fortnightly volunteering afternoons at
     pairs, with one partner a professional from      grassroots projects such as foodbanks,
     the council, and another a person from the       to build relationship with local community
     community with lived experience of low           workers, and to increase the professionals’
     income. The partners agree to meet up            understanding of the problems tackled by
     regularly over a defined period of time in       these grassroots community projects
     the way that suits them – this could be for      What does it take to run
     coffee, for a meal, for a walk – but one to
                                                      successfully?
     one, not in a group. The aim is that partners
     spend time talking as peers, exploring            • Careful matching of participants.
     inequalities by bringing their personal           • A structured induction.
     perspectives to the conversations they
                                                       • A facilitator to provide structure and
     have. By doing this, people experiencing
                                                         ongoing support to pairs.
     challenges as a result of inequalities in the
     area, are able to share their knowledge           • Willingness from participants to spend
     directly with those with responsibility for         time building relationship.
     the area’s resources, so that the decision-
                                                      Who else has done this already?
     makers are better equipped. The relationship
     is set to last for an agreed period, on the      In Shetland, the Voices for Equity project
     basis of mutual commitment, confidentiality      matched 30 community and civic
     and respect. A facilitator provides prompts to   participants in 15 learning relationships,
     help start conversations, keeps in touch with    to share experiences and perspectives on
     all learning partners and evaluate the impact    poverty and inequality. The project did not
     of these conversations. Some community           aim to directly change policy or suggest
     activists were keen on a refinement of           areas for improving services. “The Voices
for Equity project built on acknowledged           What does it take to run
theories on learning; that knowledge is            successfully?
constructed in interaction with others, and         • Staff or partners with skills in supporting
was grounded in the belief that participation         ordinary people into peer research.
built on new relationships will discover new
knowledge, insight and understanding.” –            • Commitment from participants carry out
Voices for Equity project support                     research with others.
                                                    • Commitment and budget for a working
What’s this model good for?
                                                      group with high enough authority to
 • Direct contact giving first-hand                   revise services.
   knowledge of inequalities.
                                                    • A long-term engagement.
 • Considering the wider issues relating to
   inequality, rather than focusing on service      • The involvement of a national organisation
   silos.                                             can help keep the project’s momentum
                                                      and policy objectives over the longer term.
 • Reducing the gap between the governing
   and the governed.                               Who else has done this already?
 • Participation not influenced by group           Fife Domestic and Sexual Abuse Partnership,
   dynamics.                                       Fife Council Housing Service and Scottish
                                                   Women’s Aid worked together on a local
 • Engagement over the medium to long              participatory action research project aimed
   term.                                           at improving social landlords response to
 • This particularly helps give policy             domestic abuse. Scottish Women’s Aid
   makers experiential learning and a fuller       facilitated the research, carried out by
   understanding of poverty and their place        local women with experience of gender-
   in power structures.                            based violence, and who had used Fife
                                                   Council’s housing service. The research

Participatory research
                                                   found challenges for the service, as officers
                                                   had showed negative attitudes and poor
leading to service                                 treatment towards women. Further, women

review
                                                   found there were very limited housing options
                                                   other than homelessness as a response to
                                                   their situation. With support from Scottish
How does this work?                                Women’s Aid, the Council began a working
Working with the support of skilled facilitators   group with the researchers, to identify where
and researchers, ordinary people with              policy should be changed so that women
lived experience work as peer researchers.         were treated fairly and with dignity. This
They set up a fixed-term project to gather         has led to a thorough change of housing
evidence from others in their situation about      policy and practice and the collaborative
the conditions they experience, and their          working group continues to affect policy
interactions with service providers. Decision-     today. It also led at a national level to new
makers then engage with the group about            legislation and a key recommendation for the
their findings, and commit to a working            Scottish Government to prevent women’s
group with the peer researchers and their          homelessness. The Domestic Abuse
supporters, to collectively revise policy and      (Protection) (Scotland) Act 2021 was the
service in response.                               direct result of the researchers’ work.

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     What’s this model good for?                       within certain demographics, who commit
      • Focusing on particular services for            time over several sessions to discuss a
        improvement.                                   particular issue. Participants will be recruited
                                                       ensuring there is representation from those
      • Using lived experience to affect service-      with lived experience of the topic addressed ,
        level change where issues are apparent.        but with a balanced sample of characteristics
      • Genuine transformation of services over        from across the identified geographic or
        the longer term.                               community of interest. Facilitators, trained
                                                       in the dialogue and deliberation process,
      • Building partnerships with local
                                                       design a process which allows for input from
        organisations.
                                                       invited guests with expertise, but also where
      • This approach builds strongly on               participants can contribute their perspective
        knowledge and action. People taking            to enrich understanding and create a fuller
        part may well understand poverty more          picture of the topic. The process culminates
        fully, but where the scope of the research     in deliberation amongst participants, leading
        project is set narrowly – for example,         to recommendations for the local authority to
        on revising a service without changing         take forward.
        the policy that the service is set up to
        deliver – there may be limits on how           Who else has done this already?
        far decision-maker’s attitudes towards         Aberdeenshire Council ran a Child Poverty
        power relations are shifted.                   mini public, looking at the Free School Meals
                                                       System, making recommendations about

     Mini public                                       changes to policy to help address food
                                                       poverty for children. The Community Learning
                                                       and Development team knew through a pilot
     How does this work?
                                                       holiday food project that there were children
     This is a deliberative, short term process        in primary and secondary schools going
     involving a representative group of local         without regular meals. Following this, they
     people with a range of perspectives and           recruited and ran a mini public to engage
     likely experience of poverty weighing up          with parents and children with experience of
     evidence, leading to recommendations for          low income, to understand their experience
     further work. Mini publics are broken up into     of accessing free school meals.
     two or more interactive, discursive sessions,
     which are designed to give participants           The mini public was held across four
     enough time to talk about and understand          sessions, two for parents and two for
     the issue (dialogue) and then come up with        children. Participants were recruited through
     suggestions on how to respond to the issue        letters to all parents who were eligible for
     (deliberation). Mini publics can be facilitated   free school meals, followed by phone calls
     from neighbourhood or school community            which gathered parent’s views about access
     level to regional or national level. Their        to and take-up of free school meals. From
     scope should be more clearly defined than a       these phone calls, workers invited parents
     poverty commission, looking at for example,       who were interested to take part in the mini
     food poverty during the school day, or place-     public. Workers actively recruited a group of
     based use of community facilities, rather than    participants balanced across demographic
     wider experiences of poverty. Mini publics        criteria which included both married/single
     rely on random selection of participants          people, those employed and unemployed,
male and female participants and those for       • Guest speakers from local authority with
whom English is an additional language. Many       knowledge of relevant policy and practice.
participants had not taken part in community
                                                 • Cooperation and data-sharing with the
engagement activities before nor were they
                                                   school. In Aberdeenshire, the school
particularly engaged with the school. Workers
                                                   shared data of families eligible for free
designed sessions to take into account the
                                                   school meals, and took the lead on
issues raised in the phone recruitment calls.
                                                   recruiting pupils to their mini public.
Facilitators arranged guest speakers to bring
knowledge relevant to the discussion, and        • Wider collaboration – it was clear
participants questioned them. Participants         that this was linked in with wider
then formed their opinions and made                Aberdeenshire efforts to tackle poverty,
recommendations which helped to improve            with involvement from senior level staff as
the administration of free school meals.           guest speakers, in approving the project
                                                   and in linking participants on to other the
Workers were also interested in wider issues
                                                   Local Voices online Forum.
outside narrow scope of recommendations,
gathering understanding about things like        • Commitment from local authority to take
freedom of choice in food purchase, the            forward recommendations into change,
lack of appropriate information about other        or as part of instigating new projects.
benefits. CLD have subsequently taken
                                                 What’s this model good for?
forward discussions with Young Scot around
the issue of access to other entitlements        • A short term engagement, which is
through the Young Scot card. After running         generative of other work – for example,
focus groups, Young Scot are piloting a            it may highlight new issues which require
change to the way young Scot cards work            new solutions.
in the Aberdeenshire area. Many of the           • Involving people who may not have taken
participants went on to be active in the Local     part in other engagement processes. As
Voices online forum and pupil participants         the recruitment process is intensive this
started a group in the school, running             can lead to people who wouldn’t typically
campaigns around poverty.                          self-select, who then may be motivated
                                                   to take part in longer-term processes.
What does it take to run successfully?
 • Facilitation and community development        • A relatively low-resource option, not
   skills – in Aberdeenshire, the Community        requiring long term commitment of
   Learning and Development team facilitated       participants or staff.
   the sessions, designed activities, and        • Involving a group of people to consider
   invited appropriate speakers.                   together how to respond to a specific
 • Labour-intensive selection to ensure            challenge; such as low take-up of free
   a group of participants who represent           school meals.
   diversity within a defined target audience.   • Making space for participants to speak
 • Participant time and compensation: in           to decision makers in a relaxed way.
   Aberdeenshire, participants were paid         • Being part of a wider programme
   £50 per session to take part, and pupil         of engagement across many
   participants were given vouchers for            neighbourhoods/schools.
   entry and a meal at a local bowling alley.

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     Online forum                                      who come from diverse backgrounds
                                                       including Travellers, lone parents, disability
     How does this model work?                         and English as a second language.
     An online forum gathers together people           Participants are asked to discuss issues
     with experience of poverty and the desire         with other people not in the forum and feed
     to contribute their experience. They use an       back their views. The council also host a
     online space, such as private group in a          Facebook page, “Parents Come Together
     social network, or in a bespoke platform.         In Aberdeenshire” which has around
     A facilitator engages with people around          2000 families following, and from this they
     particular topics, posing questions and           organise Zoom interaction sessions with the
     gathering views, which may be general             wider parent community. On the same page
     experience or might be opinions about a           they also have a closed group which parents
     service. Participants may use usernames to        can join called “ Together We Share”. This
     keep their true identify confidential. Group      closed group is led by parents and joined
     members may discuss issues with one               by 60 families, where they can share and
     another and may be facilitated to join other      exchange information helpful to them in a
     online groups and meet in real life.              safe environment. During the pandemic the
                                                       local authority used the forum as a sounding
     What does it take to run                          board for the rapid redesign of services.
     successfully?                                     Over the longer term, the worker has been
      • Technical support and devices for those        able to use the stories shared in the Forum
        who may need them.                             to support learning for local authority
                                                       staff that poverty is not a lifestyle choice,
      • A facilitator to develop relationships         challenging stigma.
        offline as well as online, and to support
        participant families in their practical        What’s this model good for?
        needs, such as advocating for them with         • People who feel stigmatised by
        services.                                         poverty are able to take part in an
      • Receptiveness from the local authority            anonymous forum – this may be good for
        to take account of the learning available         communities where people are reluctant
        from the stories that are shared.                 to identify themselves publicly.
                                                        • People whose childcare responsibilities
     Who else has done this already?
                                                          or working patterns prevent them from
     Aberdeenshire have developed an online               taking part in other opportunities.
     forum hosted on their Community Planning
     Website. A facilitator with skills in community    • Overcoming geographic barriers and
     learning and development practices builds            some Covid restrictions on meeting.
     relationships with participants, meeting           • Providing an ongoing source of testimony
     with them offline as well as online to help          about a range of issues, and a place for
     them understand the commitment of the                professionals to seek advice from people
     participation as well as to support them to          with lived experience.
     overcome technical barriers. The forum now
     has 20 adult and 40 children as members,
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