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MINUTES OF THE SALDANHA BAY MUNICIPALITY SPECIAL COUNCIL ON 28 JANUARY 2021 AT 14:00 1
SALDANHA BAY MUNICIPALITY MINUTES OF A SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING HELD ON THURSDAY, 28 JANUARY 2021 AT 14:00 IN THE COMMUNITY HALL, LANGEBAAN PRESENT Alderman O Daniels Speaker Alderman M Koen Executive Mayor (Chairperson) Alderman A Kruger Councillor S Scholtz Councillor S Mamabolo Councillor A Truter Councillor W America Councillor G Girimane Councillor J Kotzé Councillor G Kordom Councillor E Mankay Councillor S Mafenuka Councillor L Mitchell Councillor T Salman Councillor M Schaffers Alderman FJ Schippers Councillor M Schrader Councillor G Sipholi Councillor C van Nooi Councillor T Rossouw Councillor ST Vries Councillor A Williams OFFICIALS H Mettler Municipal Manager G Smith Director: Engineering & Planning Services C de Kock Director: Economic Development & Strategic Services S Vorster Director: Finance Services P Mbaliswana Director: Corporate Services & Public Safety L Volschenk Director: Community & Operational Services L Ebersöhn Senior Manager: Legal Services E Lawrence Communications and Public Relations Officer D Smit Manager: Client Services & Communications E Smith Personal Assistant: Executive Mayor A Meyer Manager: Administrative & Supporting Services A van Schalkwyk Committee Officer 2
INDEX ITEM NR SUBJECT PAGE R1/1-21 OPENING 4 R2/1-21 OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENTS 4 R3/1-21 LEAVE OF ABSENCE 5 R4/1-21 DECLARATION OF INTEREST WITH REGARDS TO MATTERS 5 FOR CONSIDERATION IN THIS AGENDA R5/1-21 SECTION 11(4)(a), 52(d), 54(1)(f), 66 AND 72 FOR THE PERIOD 5 ENDED 31 DECEMBER 2020 A: FINANCIAL REPORT B: TOP LAYER SDBIP PERFORMANCE REPORT (MID-YEAR TO DECEMBER 2020) R6/1-21 ADJUSTMENTS BUDGET 2020/2021 – 28 JANUARY 2021 6 R7/1-21 PERFORMANCE MANAGEMENT: 2019/20 FINANCIAL YEAR: 9 ASSESSMENTS: SECTION 57 EMPLOYEES R8/1-21 REPRESENTATION: COMMITTEE SYSTEM OF COUNCIL AND 10 MAYORAL COMMITTEE AS WELL AS REPRESENTATION ON OTHER ORGANISATIONS R9/1-21 AMENDMENT OF CONTRACT IN TERMS OF SECTION 116(3) OF 16 MFMA R9(a)/1-21 LEASE AGREEMENT WITH SMALL FARMERS Points of discussion at the Mayoral Committee meeting – no resolution required. R9(b)/1-21 ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INITIATIVES OF SBM Points of discussion at the Mayoral Committee meeting - no resolution required. 3
R1/1-21 OPENING The Speaker, Alderman O Daniels opened the meeting by welcoming everyone present. She requested a minute of silent prayer to ruminate those who experienced loss and illness. Specific reference was made to the following: • Deputy Executive Mayor, Councillor E Vaughan’s husband who was ill; • Alderman SJE Steyn who has lost her son and was in hospital for an operation; • Councillor A Venter who was ill; • Councillor M Makwethu was in the Eastern Cape for family affairs; • Councillor T Khulu was also in the Eastern Cape for family affairs; • Mr. J Jonkers was in ICU; • Grief in the community and country as result of the Covid-19 pandemic. R2/1-21 OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENTS Alderman O Daniels welcomed back all the councillors and wished them all the best for the year ahead. The whip of the ANC, Councillor B Mankay informed the meeting that the ANC declared 2021 as the year of Charlotte Maxeke. Charlotte Maxeke was the first black South African woman who obtained a Science degree and was a delegate to the ANC’s founding conference in 1912. The year would be aimed at unity, renewal and construction. She also expressed the ANC’s appreciation towards the frontline staff fighting Covid-19 whilst risking their own lives. She requested the following: • Feedback on the investigation of the SIU (Special Investigating Unit) as promulgated in the Government Gazette; • That SBM played a more active role in supporting poverty alleviation in the fight against Covid-19. Councillor T Salman informed the meeting of the mother and daughter who had been tragically killed in an accident with a train in Vredenburg. He requested that SBM engage with Transnet regarding the safety risk of railway transport in a residential area. Mr. H Mettler replied that he had already engaged with Transnet’s Management Executive, Mr. Lloyd Tobias in this respect. Councillor T Salman also commented on officials who were complaining that the Mayoral Committee interfere in the execution of their duties. He recommended that the complaints be escalated to the Municipal Manager’s office. In response to Councillor B Mankay’s question, the Speaker, Alderman O Daniels replied that the Municipal Manager would inform the meeting of the details regarding the SIU’s investigation at the end of the meeting. 4
R3/1-21 LEAVE OF ABSENCE Councillor E Vaughan Alderman SJE Steyn Councillor T Khulu Councillor A Venter Councillor M Makwetu R4/1-21 DECLARATION OF INTEREST WITH REGARDS TO MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION IN THIS AGENDA None R5/1-21 SECTION 11(4)(a), 52(d), 54(1)(f), 66 AND 72 FOR THE PERIOD ENDED 31 DECEMBER 2020 A: FINANCIAL REPORT B: TOP LAYER SDBIP PERFORMANCE REPORT (MID-YEAR TO DECEMBER 2020) (5/1/1-12/3; 9/1/1 -31/12/2020) (Report of the Directorate Finance Services and Directorate Economic Development & Strategic Services) (S Vorster; S Roets; T Williams; R Rooms; H Meeding; Z Korasie; A Gwanya; A Adonis; N Koikanyang; T Karolus; A Martin; Q Jordaan) This item was voted on as follows: 14 for the recommendation 7 against the recommendation 1 abstained RESOLVED Councillor J Kotzé referred to a section of page 9 of the Public Protector’s report on Saldanha Bay Municipality. The Municipal Manager, Mr. H Mettler confirmed that he had not yet received the report. Councillor J Kotzé replied that he would forward the report to the CFO. He further referred to various matters such as outstanding debt, status of interest charged and the variance of property rates in the report. He stated that he would forward his concerns in writing to the Municipal Manager. Alderman O Daniels requested that Council be copied in on the response to Councillor J Kotzé’s questions. Councillor S Vries commented on relief measures to users during lockdown as well as the percentage capital expenditure. Councillor T Salman requested the following: • Clarity on paragraph 3.2.1 of the report; • Details regarding the comment “revenue source”; • Covid-19 as cause for non-adherence to targets; 5
• Additional information in respect of the staffing vacancies and targets. Mr. S Vorster provided clarity on the above questions posed by Councillor T Salman. A: FINANCIAL REPORT i) that the report in terms of section 11(4)(a), 52(d), 54(1)(f), 66 and section 72 of the MFMA report be noted by Council; ii) that it be noted that the municipality achieved 27% spending of its capital budget and 39% spending when orders and requisitions are included; iii) that Directors ensure that votes are not overspent and where necessary, savings are identified timeously; iv) that Directors closely monitor the plans put in place to improve the levels of capital expenditure to ensure that the spending target of 95% of the capital budget be achieved; v) that it be noted that the Final Adjustment Budget is contained in a separate report to Council; vi) that it be noted that the signed quality certificate for the budget statement is included on page 84; vii) that it be noted that the schedule C statement tables are included on page 32 to 83 in the attachment to the report. B: TOP LAYER SDBIP PERFORMANCE REPORT (MID- YEAR TO DECEMBER 2020) viii) that the Top Layer Mid-year to December 2020 SDBIP performance report be noted. R6/1-21 ADJUSTMENTS BUDGET 2020/2021 – 28 JANUARY 2021 (5/1/1 -2020/21) (Report of the Directorate Finance Services) (M Cornett / S Roets) The CFO, Mr. S Vorster informed the meeting that the adjustment of targets was an annual process which culminated in the adjustment budget. He indicated that the Section 11(4)(a), 52(d), 54(1)(f), 66 and 72 report for the period ended 31 December 2020 should be read together with the 2020/2021 Adjustment Budget. He also stated that the Covid-19 pandemic had an impact on SBM’s payment ratio and overtime worked. Mr. S Vorster responded to the questions of the Whip of the ANC, Councillor B 6
Mankay relating to the reasons for the deficits and surpluses reflected in Table 3 (operating expenditure) on page 119 of the report. Alderman A Kruger informed the meeting that the minutes of the Mayoral Committee meeting reflected the action plan for the outstanding debt. He mentioned that contractors were still struggling with the reality of staff absenteeism due to Covid-19. He congratulated the Finance Directorate with the effort made to collect outstanding debt amidst the additional challenges brought about by the pandemic. He informed the meeting that he had made contact with the Defense Force regarding the outstanding debt and trust that payment would be forthcoming shortly. Mr. H Mettler stated that capital expenditure was at 39% year-to-date, but that real difficulty was being experienced with absenteeism due to protocol that had to be followed in the incidence of officials and contractors being exposed to the Covid-19 virus. Councillor J Kotzé questioned the outstanding debt amount of the Defense Force. Mr. S Vorster stated that the outstanding debt was R13 000 000- 00, but was reduced to R10 000 000-00 as payment was received. Electricity would be cut on 3 February 2021 if no further payment was received. The meeting was informed that the decrease in contracted services resulted in a similar increase to employee related cost due to the cancellation of the security tender by the service provider. This resulted in the movement of funds from the one line item (contracted services) to the other line item (employee related cost). Councillor T Salman enquired whether the tenderer complied with all the requirements of the tender specifications and whether consequence management was applied when the service provider defaulted on its tender requirements. Councillor A Truter stated that SIRA (Security Industry Regulating Authority) regulated the security industry. Councillor T Salman stated that Councillor A Truter was out of order as he was not referring to the regulation of the industry or training, but to the tender requirements. The Municipal Manager, Mr H Mettler provided the following overview on the sequence of events following the notice from the service provider that the tender would be cancelled from their side: • notice was received at the beginning of lockdown (26 March 2020) that the tender would be cancelled by the service provider; • SBM had no alternative at the time, but to remunerate the security guards; • In April 2020 SBM experienced the highest incidence of vandalism; • An attempt was made to first start with a limited bidding process; • This was not successful as the prices of the tenders were too high; • A new tender process commenced and the Bid Adjudication Committee was in the process of evaluating the tenders at the time of the meeting. 7
Mr. H Mettler informed the meeting that when Securimed was appointed, the appeals received against the tender were referred for external legal advice. All appeals were dealt with at the time where after the service provider was appointed as it was compliant to all the requirements of the tender at the time. In response to Councillor B Mankay’s earlier question relating to the Special Investigation Unit (SIU), Mr. H Mettler confirmed that the security tender was under investigation by the SIU. Councillor G Sipholi expressed his concern relating to the R500 000-00 ward funding in Ward 9 which was initially earmarked for the extension of the hall and to buy land for the relocation of backyard dwellers. It was confirmed that the funds were rolled over and that the budget per ward would be forwarded to Council by the Finance Directorate. Councillor G Sipholi also requested feedback on the timeframe for the installation of electricity in respect of the 512 housing project in the ward. The Infrastructure and Planning Services Directorate, Mr G Smith explained that the material for the electricity could not be ordered prior to the IMAP funding being published in the Government Gazette. Councillor S Mafenuka questioned the inclusion of sidewalks on the budget and stated that the inputs given by the community requested speed bumps. Councillor S Mafenuka enquired whether Joe Slovo would be provided with electricity and made a personal remark towards the Infrastructure and Planning Services Director in this respect. He was requested to withdraw this comment and did so. The Speaker, Alderman O Daniels stated that Council had to bear in mind that limited resources had to service the municipal area. Councillor T Salman commented that the budget did not reflect the needs of the community and its implementation would be ineffective in addressing these needs. The Whip of the ANC, Councillor B Mankay requested a meeting with the Mayor to engage on the budget and the implementation thereof. She requested clarity on her questions on the employee related cost and the description of “other” in the detail contained in line items. It was stated that the Municipal Manager, Mr. H Mettler did respond to the question relating to the increase in employee related cost and that additional funding was not being used for remunerating the security guards. The Chief Financial Officer, Mr. S Vorster explained that National Treasury list certain items which had to be categorised as “other” according to the MFMA and GRAP Framework. The Mayor, Alderman M Koen stated that Councillor B Mankay was welcome to make an appointment with his office to discuss any concerns 8
that the ANC might have on the budget and the implementation thereof. He presented the Adjustment Budget of 2020/2021 for adoption. This item was voted on with the following results: 14 for the recommendation 7 against the recommendation 1 abstained RESOLVED i) that the report be noted; ii) that the individual capital projects as contained in the following detail of the Adjustments Capital Budget for 2020/21, supportive of the B- Schedules and other annexures to the report, be approved: • Annexure A1: Summaries Capital Budget; • Annexure A2: Detail Capital budget per department; • Annexure A3: Adjustments Capital Budget per ward; iii) that the funding of the capital budget contained in this report and annexures to the report be approved; iv) that the signed quality certificate attached as Annexure “C” to the report, be noted; v) that the adjustments budget for 2020/2021 as contained in the budget schedules in Annexure “D” to the report, be approved and submitted to National treasury and Provincial Treasury: Western Cape; vi) that the revised monthly and quarterly service delivery targets and performance indicators in the service delivery and budget implementation plan attached as Annexure “E” to the report, be approved; vii) that the Adjustments budget and revised SDBIP be made public within 10 working days after the approval by Council as required in terms of MBRR 26; viii) that the revised 2020/2021 Top Layer SDBIP as contained in Annexure E to the report be approved. R7/1-21 PERFORMANCE MANAGEMENT: 2019/20 FINANCIAL YEAR: ASSESSMENTS: SECTION 57 EMPLOYEES (4/1/3/1) (Report of the Directorate Economic Development & Strategic Services) (Q Jordaan) 9
Councillor J Kotzé commented on the composition of the Performance Evaluation Committee and requested a detailed evaluation report. It was confirmed that the composition of the Performance Evaluation Committee was prescribed by the Local Government: Municipal Planning and Performance Management Regulations. Councillor S Vries commented on the percentage expenditure. He was corrected by being referred to the fact that the evaluation reflected on the previous financial year. Councillor T Salman requested that detailed information be provided on the performance management for the 2019/2020 financial year and not the current financial year. The Whip of the DA, Alderman A Kruger stated that exception was taken against the fact that his integrity along with the other members of the Evaluation Committee was questioned. Alderman M Koen supported this statement and referred to the fact that capital expenditure represented only one KPI. He further added that he was proud of the Executive Management Team and the manner in which they executed their role as leaders of SBM. Council was informed that the Audit Committee’s feedback on the performance management for the 2020/2021 financial year would be submitted to Council. Councillor T Salman commented that issues of concerns were raised, but that it was not personal. This item was voted on with the following results: 14 for the recommendation 8 against the recommendation RESOLVED That the report on the 2019/20 annual performance evaluations of the Municipal Manager and Directors be noted. R8/1-21 REPRESENTATION: COMMITTEE SYSTEM OF COUNCIL AND MAYORAL COMMITTEE AS WELL AS REPRESENTATION ON OTHER ORGANISATIONS (3/5/6) (Report of the Directorate Corporate Services & Public Safety) (A Meyer & A Van Schalkwyk) RESOLVED i) that the report be noted; 10
ii) that Council resolution R19/12-20 be rescinded and all previous council resolutions relating to representation on Section 79 and 80 Committees; iii) that the following amendments be approved. Section 80 Committee Members Office of the Municipal Councillor S Scholtz (Chairperson) Manager Councillor A Williams Councillor M Schrader (Council resolution R95/2-18) Councillor G Kordom Councillor T Khulu Councillor T M Rossouw Corporate Services and Public Councillor A Truter (Chairperson) Safety Committee Councillor A Williams Councillor A Venter Councillor L Mitchell Councillor B Mankay Councillor G Girimane Finance Portfolio Committee Councillor S Mamabolo (Chairperson) Alderman F Schippers Councillor M Schaffers Councillor TL Salman Councillor J Kotzé Councillor A Wiliams Infrastructure and Planning Councillor E Vaughan (Chairperson) Services Portfolio Committee Alderman F Schippers Councillor M Schaffers (Planning has been incorporated Councillor T Khulu under the Economic Development Councillor G Sipholi and Strategic Services Directorate Councillor C Van Nooi from 1 July 2018 in accordance with Council resolution R11/3-18) Community and Operational Alderman A Kruger (Chairperson) Services Portfolio Committee Councillor G Kordom Councillor W America Councillor C van Nooi Councillor M Makwetu Councillor S Mafenuka Economic Development and Alderman SJE Steyn (Chairperson) Strategic Services Portfolio Councillor G Kordom Councillor A Venter 11
Committee Councillor L Mitchell Councillor T Khulu Councillor M Schaffers Councillor ST Vries Section 79 Committee Members Section 62 Appeal Councillor L Mitchell (Chairperson) Committee Councillor M Schaffers Councillor G Kordom Councillor BE Mankay Councillor W Amerilca (Secundus) Councillor T M Rossouw(Secundus) Municipal Public Accounts Councillor T Khulu (Chairperson) Committee Councillor S Scholtz Councillor G Kordom (The terms of reference of MPAC is Councillor M Schrader included as attachment “D”) Councillor B Mankay Councillor A Truter (Secundus) Councillor L Mitchell (Secundus) Councillor M Schaffers (Secundus) Special Committee: Code of Alderman A Kruger (Chairperson) conduct of Councillors Councillor G Kordom Councillor S Scholtz Councillor T Khulu Councillor B Mankay Regulatory Committee Alderman O Daniels (Chairperson) Whips of Parties- DA (Alderman A Kruger), ANC (Councillor B Mankay), EFF (Councillor T Khulu), SIA (Councillor J Kotzé) Committee: Non-Attendance Alderman O Daniel (Chairperson) Whips of Parties- DA (Alderman A Kruger), ANC (Councillor B Mankay), EFF (Councillor T Khulu), SIA (Councillor J Kotzé) * Aesthetics Committee Councillor W America (Chairperson) Councillor A Venter Councillor B Mankay Plus relevant ward Councillor(s) Alderman SJE Steyn (secundus) Landfill Site Committee Alderman A Kruger (Chairperson) Councillor E Vaughan Councillor G Sipholi 12
Councillor C van Nooi Councillor TM Rossouw Other committees of Members Council Appointment Committee Councillor A Truter Councillor E Vaughan (Secundi) Training- and Employment Councillor E Vaughan Equity Committee (Sub- Councillor M Schrader Councillor L Mitchell Committee of Labour Forum) Councillor A Truter Councillor G Girimane Local Labour Forum Councillor E Vaughan Councillor M Schrader Councillor L Mitchell Councillor A Truter Councillor G Girimane ICT Committee Alderman SJE Steyn (Chairperson) Councillor M Schaffers Councillor A Venter Saldanha Bay Tourism Alderman SJE Steyn Organisation Councillor A Kruger Councillor M Schaffers Saldanha Bay Water Quality Alderman A Kruger Trust Committee Councillor A Williams Councillor TM Rossouw St Helena Bay Water Quality Councillor S Scholtz Trust Committee Councillor M Schaffers Councillor M Makwetu Councillor ST Vries Budget Steering Committee Refer to Council Resolution: R7/10-18 attached as Annexure “D” (Special Council meeting held on 3 October 2018) Other organisations Members West Coast Business Alderman SJE Steyn Development Centre Official (Municipal Manager or Representative) Community Policing Forum: Councillor M Schaffers Vredenburg Area Councillor L Mitchell Councillor E Vaughan 13
Councillor T Salman Community Policing Forum: Councillor A Williams Saldanha Councillor G Kordom Councillor S Mafenuka Councillor C Van Nooi Community Policing Forum: Langebaan Councillor W America Councillor A Venter Community Policing Forum: Alderman F Schippers Hopefield Councillor M Schrader Community Policing Forum: Councillor S Scholtz St Helena Bay Councillor M Makwetu IDZ Skills Task Team and Alderman M Koen Program Alderman SJE Steyn Councillor B Mankay West Coast Municipal Alderman A Kruger Coastal Committee Councillor S Mamabolo Provincial Local Economic Alderman M Koen Forum: EDP Speakers Forum Speaker and Ward Councillors West Coast Biosphere Alderman A Kruger (R56/10-17) Councillor M Schrader Councillor B Mankay (Secundi) Community Awards Councillor M Schaffers Committee Alderman SJE Steyn (R32/6-17) Sport Advisory Forums Members Saldanha Bay Sport Advisory Councillor C van Nooi and Councillor B Forum Mankay Diazville Sport Advisory Councillor A Williams and Councillor T Forum Rossouw Vredenburg Sport Advisory Councillor L Mitchell and Councillor G Forum Sipholi Langebaan Sport Advisory Councillor A Kruger and Councillor W 14
Forum America Paternoster Sport Advisory Councillor S Scholtz and Councillor T Forum Salman St Helena Bay Sport Advisory Councillor S Scholtz and Councillor M Forum Makwetu Hopefield Sport Advisory Councillor M Schrader and Councillor Forum ST Vries SALGA Working Groups Members Capacity Building and Councillor: Cllr. A Truter Institutional Resilience Secundi: Cllr. A Williams Working Group: Official: P Mbaliswana Community Development and Councillor: Cllr. W America Social Cohesion Working Secundi: Cllr. M Schaffers Group Official: A du Plessis Economic Empowerment and Councillor: Ald. SJE Steyn Employment Creation Secundi: Cllr. M Schrader Working Group: Official: C Barends Environmental Planning and Councillor: Ald. A Kruger Climate Resilience Working Secundi: Cllr. L Mitchell Official: N Duarte Group Governance and Councillor: Ald. M Koen Intergovernmental Relations Secundi: Cllr. O Daniels Official: A Du Plessis Working Group Human Settlements and Councillor: Cllr. E Vaughan Municipal Planning Working Secundi: Cllr. M Schaffers Group Official: R Groenewald Municipal Finance and Fiscal Councillor: Cllr. S Mamabolo Policy Working Group Secundi: Cllr. A Williams Official: M Cornett Municipal Innovations and Councillor: Ald. M Koen 15
Information Technology Secundi: Cllr. S Scholtz Working Group Official: C de Kock Public Transport and Roads Councillor: Cllr. E Vaughan Working Group Secundi: Cllr. M Schaffers Official: J Jarvis Water, Sanitation and Waste Councillor: Ald. A Kruger Management Secundi: Cllr. M Schaffers Official: G Williams Other Members Commissions/committees Coordinated by SALGA SALGA Women Commission Councillor: Cllr. S Mamabolo Secundi: Cllr. TM Rossouw Western Cape Association of Councillor T Khulu (Chairperson Municipal Public Accounts MPAC) Committee meeting R9/1-21 AMENDMENT OF CONTRACT IN TERMS OF SECTION 116(3) OF MFMA (8/1/6) (Report of the Directorate Finance Services) (T Williams) RESOLVED i) that the contents of the report be noted; ii) that approval be granted for the extension of tender SBM 42/17/18: Appointment of a service provider to develop a long-term financial planning tool and long-term financial plan for the Saldanha Bay Municipality until 31 December 2021; iii) that the Municipal Manager be authorised to proceed with the extension of the contracts if no representations are received; iv) that a follow-up report to Council be submitted if representations are received for consideration before the contract is extended. 16
The Municipal Manager, Mr. H Mettler provided the following feedback in respect of the SIU’s investigation: • the SIU was instructed to investigate SBM on irregularities in respect of the security tender (SBM 45/17/18), referred to earlier during the meeting; • the notice of the investigation was published in the Government Gazette of 24 December 2021; • on 13 January 2021 the SIU visited SBM; • SBM was subpoenaed to submit the required documents within a prescribed period; • Information was submitted timeously; • the information was collected on 20 January 2021; • the SIU would be investigating any irregularities and indicated that the investigation would take approximately two to three months; • all cost of the investigation would be borne by the SIU; • SBM declared itself willing to cooperate at all times; • he briefly referred to the social media allegations relating to the food parcels and reiterated the feedback already provided to Council at a previous meeting; • the investigation relating to the food parcels was finalised and a report could be expected at any time; • the cost of the investigation on the food parcels amounted to R186 000 000-00 which was for the account of SBM; • the Municipal Manager stated this cost was being questioned by SBM. Items R9(a)/1-21 and R9(b)/1-21 was discussion points at the Mayoral Committee meeting and did not require consideration by Council at this stage. The meeting adjourned at 15:35. Confirmed. ____________________________ _________________ SPEAKER DATE 17
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